Comments on: The Toastmasters Trap http://mytoastmastersblog.com/2009/11/25/toastmasters-trap/ The Blog for Toastmasters, Public, and Professional Speakers Sun, 06 Dec 2009 01:28:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: robchristeson http://mytoastmastersblog.com/2009/11/25/toastmasters-trap/comment-page-1/#comment-11813 robchristeson Sun, 06 Dec 2009 01:28:56 +0000 http://mytoastmastersblog.com/?p=322#comment-11813 Good Points. Toastmastes is great for getting new speakers over the hurdle of making lots of mistakes, but it's easy to fall into that trap of seeking to perfect style instead of refining content. Good Points. Toastmastes is great for getting new speakers over the hurdle of making lots of mistakes, but it’s easy to fall into that trap of seeking to perfect style instead of refining content.

]]> By: Conor Neill http://mytoastmastersblog.com/2009/11/25/toastmasters-trap/comment-page-1/#comment-11810 Conor Neill Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:02:06 +0000 http://mytoastmastersblog.com/?p=322#comment-11810 Chris - I would agree that there is a trap in expecting a speaker to follow a "system" and being more aware of the system than the message. I teach managerial communication to MBAs and start by forcing everybody to follow a fairly strict template for a 3 minute persuasive speech - and I see that I have got to the stage that I am watching for the structure more than listening to the message. Thanks for making me aware of myself ;-) Chris – I would agree that there is a trap in expecting a speaker to follow a “system” and being more aware of the system than the message. I teach managerial communication to MBAs and start by forcing everybody to follow a fairly strict template for a 3 minute persuasive speech – and I see that I have got to the stage that I am watching for the structure more than listening to the message. Thanks for making me aware of myself ;-)

]]> By: Richard I. Garber http://mytoastmastersblog.com/2009/11/25/toastmasters-trap/comment-page-1/#comment-11809 Richard I. Garber Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:38:47 +0000 http://mytoastmastersblog.com/?p=322#comment-11809 Dr. Goldsmith put out a book telling other people that What Got You Here Won’t Get You There. Thus he should be able to accept input from someone else (possibly Nick Morgan) on how he too could change in order to improve his style. So should you. Nobody is perfect, and (just like a navel) everyone has an opinion. (Withholding information is #9 on Goldsmith’s list of 20 bad habits). Go and read Nick Morgan’s November 2008 article in the Harvard Business Review on “How to become an authentic speaker.” It’s worth about fifty of anyone’s blog posts, and might even change your life. Dr. Goldsmith put out a book telling other people that What Got You Here Won’t Get You There. Thus he should be able to accept input from someone else (possibly Nick Morgan) on how he too could change in order to improve his style. So should you. Nobody is perfect, and (just like a navel) everyone has an opinion. (Withholding information is #9 on Goldsmith’s list of 20 bad habits).

Go and read Nick Morgan’s November 2008 article in the Harvard Business Review on “How to become an authentic speaker.” It’s worth about fifty of anyone’s blog posts, and might even change your life.

]]> By: chris http://mytoastmastersblog.com/2009/11/25/toastmasters-trap/comment-page-1/#comment-11808 chris Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:45:56 +0000 http://mytoastmastersblog.com/?p=322#comment-11808 That is possible. I didn’t name names, because I didn't want to point fingers or scold anyone that I disagreed with. That is possible. I didn’t name names, because I didn’t want to point fingers or scold anyone that I disagreed with.

]]> By: Richard I. Garber http://mytoastmastersblog.com/2009/11/25/toastmasters-trap/comment-page-1/#comment-11807 Richard I. Garber Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:32:54 +0000 http://mytoastmastersblog.com/?p=322#comment-11807 Are you perhaps describing this critique by Nick Morgan? http://publicwords.typepad.com/nickmorgan/2009/11/how-good-a-speaker-is-marshall-goldsmith.html Are you perhaps describing this critique by Nick Morgan?
http://publicwords.typepad.com/nickmorgan/2009/11/how-good-a-speaker-is-marshall-goldsmith.html

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